REPORT: Arm is sensationally canceling the license that allowed Qualcomm to make Snapdragon chips, which power everything from Microsoft's Copilot+ PCs to Samsung's Galaxy smartphones and tablets (Update: Qualcomm, Arm respond)
The license cancellation could massively disrupt the Arm PC, AI, and smartphone market.
What you need to know
- A new report suggests Arm Holdings PLC is ending a contract with Qualcomm Inc. that allows the firm to build chip designs based on Arm technology.
- The cancelation notice lasts for only 60 days, and escalates an on-going dispute between the UK-based chip architecture giant Arm and US chip maker Qualcomm for processors that are in everything from TVs to smartphones to Microsoft's new Copilot+ PCs.
- If the cancelation goes through, it could upend the smartphone industry, given that Snapdragon processors power the vast majority of Android smartphones and tablets, as well as emerging Arm-based Windows PCs like the Surface Pro 11.
- Qualcomm and Arm have been in a legal dispute for a couple of years now, and this is the latest escalation in a battle that shows no signs of slowing down.
Oh boy, I didn't have this one on my bingo card to write up at 3AM.
UK-based chip architecture giant Arm Holdings PLC is sensationally killing a licensing agreement with Qualcomm Inc. in the United States, according to a report from Bloomberg. It's the latest escalation in a legal feud that has dogged both companies for the past couple of years, which began when Qualcomm acquired chip design startup Nuvia back in 2021. Arm alleged that the acquisition amounts to a breach of contract and trademark infringement, given that Nuvia had an existing agreement with Arm for chips based on its patented technology. Arm's position is that Qualcomm acquired their Nuvia licenses, violating Arm's terms of agreement. Qualcomm has counter-sued, arguing that Arm's terms and conditions do not require renegotiation.
Recent updates
UPDATE (October 23, 2024): A Qualcomm spokesperson offered us the below statement on Arm's latest legal swipe: "This is more of the same from ARM – more unfounded threats designed to strongarm a longtime partner, interfere with our performance-leading CPUs, and increase royalty rates regardless of the broad rights under our architecture license. With a trial fast approaching in December, Arm’s desperate ploy appears to be an attempt to disrupt the legal process, and its claim for termination is completely baseless. We are confident that Qualcomm’s rights under its agreement with Arm will be affirmed. Arm’s anticompetitive conduct will not be tolerated."
Recent updates
UPDATE (October 24, 2024): Now an Arm spokesperson has responded, offering us this statement: "Following Qualcomm’s repeated material breaches of Arm’s license agreement, Arm is left with no choice but to take formal action requiring Qualcomm to remedy its breach or face termination of the agreement. This is necessary to protect the unparalleled ecosystem that Arm and its highly valued partners have built over more than 30 years. Arm is fully prepared for the trial in December and remains confident that the Court will find in Arm’s favor."
Thus far, Qualcomm and Arm have been negotiating over the use of Arm's processor architecture in designs of processors like the Snapdragon X Elite, which powers Microsoft's range of Copilot+ PCs and other Windows on Arm laptops. Arm's technology is particularly crucial in energy-efficient computing device designs, including devices like smartphones, tablets, and even televisions.
More traditional x86 processors have gradually fallen out of favor owing to their energy requirements, which is why Microsoft has begun exploring developing Windows for Arm-based devices over the past few years. The Surface Pro 11 is part of that effort, although this latest dispute could have dire consequences for the entire program. Copilot+ PCs are a relatively nascent market, but the dispute has potentially huge ramifications for the global mobile market: A large swath of Android phones and tablets are powered by Qualcomm chips.
Qualcomm will reportedly have 60 days to comply. As Qualcomm suggests — and as we noted before updating this article — this may underline the fact that this is simply a tactic to strongarm (sorry) the firm into an out-of-court agreement. It doesn't look as though Qualcomm is ready to capitulate, however.
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The partnership between Qualcomm and Arm revolutionized the entire world
Qualcomm and Arm were once best buddies who worked arm-in-arm (again, sorry) to curate a cultural shift in computing that has impacted most every aspect of human life. Almost everything has compute in it these days, and manufacturers are more than ever turning to Arm to boost their energy efficiency. Snapdragon processors were at the forefront of that for a long time, but times are changing.
Arm canceled Nuvia's contracts already as mentioned, and has demanded that Qualcomm cease and desist developing Nuvia chips based on Arm's technology, while also demanding the destruction of all of its existing stock. So far, it doesn't seem as though Qualcomm has complied, pending its counter-suit which argues that it hasn't breached the original contracts.
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There are billions at stake in this latest dispute, given that Qualcomm's nearly $40 billion annual revenue comes almost entirely from chips built on Arm standards. Qualcomm announced the latest Snapdragon 8 Elite just recently. It's packed full of home-grown Oryon cores instead of Arm's Cortex offering, but those Nuvia cores still have Arm licenses attached when you put them under a microscope. The Snapdragon 8 Elite is expected to appear in next year's devices like the Samsung Galaxy 25, as well as next-gen offerings from OnePlus and others that typically opt for Qualcomm options. For Arm to completely kill Qualcomm's license to build chips on these designs will potentially rock the smartphone industry. Qualcomm is no stranger to litigation of this type, and it may be bullish enough to think it can muddle through regardless.
The semiconductor industry remains incredibly volatile for a variety of reasons. The tech industry's frenzy to be at the forefront of the AI craze has led to a gold rush of sorts for all types of chips. Manufacturers of all shapes and sizes, including Microsoft, have explored building their own chips and products to that end. Arm has historically only licensed its instruction sets to chip makers, but has begun pursuing the creation of full designs to offer manufacturers directly, potentially competing directly with companies like Qualcomm. Qualcomm has its own Oryon platform with Nuvia that it's gradually developing, which at least for now, still relies heavily on Arm licenses.
The old-guard x86 champs over at Intel and AMD have a ton of issues of their own to deal with, but the competition from Arm-based options has forced them to put bigger a focus on energy efficiency in recent years. Intel's new Panther Lake chips continue to focus on efficiency, and Intel and AMD are increasingly working together to bolster x86 and fend off the challenge from the Arm-based army (sorry).
What happens next may require the input of a legal expert, rather than an insomniac games writer who just happened to be awake when this news broke. It'll be interesting to see how the markets react when they open up tomorrow, that's for sure.
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chris9465 that’s a good thing.Reply
Copilot+ doesn't do anything.
It can’t organize photos music or emails, can’t create a music playlist.
Copilot doesn’t really do anything beyond costing more money to buy and maintain, while being a resource pig.
Glad ARM is hopefully getting rid of Copilot+ -
fjtorres5591 1- They will settle and the settlement will be NDA'd.Reply
Nonetheless...
2- Intel and AMD welcome this catfight it boosts Android on x86 and casts doubts on ARM PCs and servers.
3- Android phone makers are rethinking their commitment to ARM only. even if they get their chips from other suppliers, reducing the supply of phone SOCs threatens their cost structure. Just knowing ARM can kill their supply, even if they never do it to anybody, is a risk factor to be accounted for.
4- Risk-V proponents are very happy. Google has already elevated Risk-V to the same level as ARM and now there is incentive for device makers to consider it.
They will settle.
But ARM is the biggest loser: they just torpedoed their business model of architecture licensing by proving they can cut off supply right at the source.
Talk about "cutting off your nose to spite your face". -
SooksVI
Copilot+ has nothing to do with Qualcomm. It's available on Intel and AMD platforms with NPUs as well.chris9465 said:that’s a good thing.
Copilot+ doesn't do anything.
It can’t organize photos music or emails, can’t create a music playlist.
Copilot doesn’t really do anything beyond costing more money to buy and maintain, while being a resource pig.
Glad ARM is hopefully getting rid of Copilot+ -
Ron-F ARM's designs dominate the mobile market and are making significant inroads into the server and PC markets. However, despite this widespread influence, the company isn't highly lucrative. ARM is suing Qualcomm to seek additional revenue. The case will likely be settled out of court, with the details remaining undisclosed.Reply -
fjtorres5591
There is a hard limit to their value add because to go from their IP to a finished product the licensee needs to develop the actual SOC layout (and this includes things that don't come from ARM) and then contract with a foundry and chip packaging.Ron-F said:ARM's designs dominate the mobile market and are making significant inroads into the server and PC markets. However, despite this widespread influence, the company isn't highly lucrative. ARM is suing Qualcomm to seek additional revenue. The case will likely be settled out of court, with the details remaining undisclosed.
And the final product is price limited because it has to compete with other licensees of the same IP for the same markets.
There is only so much money to be made and since the bone of contention is the specific design of the Elite family of SOCs that are new and depend on the immature windows on ARM PCs the market at issue is even more constrained.
Regardless of the technicalities of the license, there isn't much profit for Qualcomm to share. And it hinges on the assumption that x86 can't soon match the ARM implementations in performance/power/price proposition. That is not a certainty, especially if ARM forces a price increase on Qualcomm.
Finally, while they are likely to settle and NDA the terms, other licensees now know to expect higher fees under threat of de-licensing.
This will not end well for the ARM ecosystem.
It might be worth to keep an eye on Apple and what they might make of RISC-V. -
xenred
Yep, no idea how come "Copilot+" was even included in this conversation. That's just a marketing brand for PC with NPU and on-device AI specific features on Windows 11.SooksVI said:Copilot+ has nothing to do with Qualcomm. It's available on Intel and AMD platforms with NPUs as well.
This story is just about ARM and Qualcomm that cancelling Snapdragon X SoC. -
xenred
Good take, this actually hurts ARM future and companies may rethink their commitment to ARM design for the future, including Apple. The effect won't be immediate but there will be a slow change and RISC-V design will just accelerate its adoption.fjtorres5591 said:1- They will settle and the settlement will be NDA'd.
Nonetheless...
2- Intel and AMD welcome this catfight it boosts Android on x86 and casts doubts on ARM PCs and servers.
3- Android phone makers are rethinking their commitment to ARM only. even if they get their chips from other suppliers, reducing the supply of phone SOCs threatens their cost structure. Just knowing ARM can kill their supply, even if they never do it to anybody, is a risk factor to be accounted for.
4- Risk-V proponents are very happy. Google has already elevated Risk-V to the same level as ARM and now there is incentive for device makers to consider it.
They will settle.
But ARM is the biggest loser: they just torpedoed their business model of architecture licensing by proving they can cut off supply right at the source.
Talk about "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
AMD and Intel is not concerned here and will be actually just happy, since this may be a time for them to catch up somehow and continue to dominate the market.
Qualcomm can just move on and adopt different design with RISC-V or whatever they have been working on internally. -
Sauceruney ARM are slitting their own throats with this move. Damaging the market share of their own licensed technology isn't a very smart negotiating tactic. This is on the order of WordPress' self-defeating behavior as of late.Reply -
Lurking_Lurker_Lurks Yeah just saying, ****ing contests don't tend to end well for those foolish enough to compete.Reply -
fjtorres5591
AI PHOBIA is strong 'round these parts.xenred said:Yep, no idea how come "Copilot+" was even included in this conversation. That's just a marketing brand for PC with NPU and on-device AI specific features on Windows 11.
This story is just about ARM and Qualcomm that cancelling Snapdragon X SoC.
Reminds me of the UNITY switch to per-install fees.Sauceruney said:ARM are slitting their own throats with this move. Damaging the market share of their own licensed technology isn't a very smart negotiating tactic. This is on the order of WordPress' self-defeating behavior as of late.
If your business model isn't generating enough revenues, trying to squeeze more money out of your customers is no guarantee they'll grin and bear it. They might choose to go elsewhere.
Captive markets don't stay captive forever.