There has been a battle raging in my mind ever since the first Duo was announced as to whether I should invest in another Microsoft mobile effort. I was excited about the hardware on offer and the vision for what the device was meant to be, and I nearly went for it. Nearly. It has been in my shopping cart numerous times, but it never happened. Congrats to myself for some self-restraint for once!
Even though I've not owned a Surface Duo I've been able to build a solid perspective on it through a number of friends and content creators who have used both of the Duo's since their respective releases. It was very clear to me that having two screens instead of one that folded was rather beneficial in many ways.
Being able to use a solid piece of glass for each screen instead of it physically folding brings much better durability, uniformity and cheaper repair costs if required. Not to mention having no crease interfering with the output or just being downright distracting under lights. The form factor alone was far more useable, the same direction Google has gone in with the newly released Pixel Fold.
For many this set up still wasn't seen as cutting edge enough for a device costing so much. Comparisons of course were made to the Galaxy Fold; a very different concept to the Duo but of course the Microsoft dual screen device "just couldn't compete". I was told that numerous times by people who seemed to simply dismiss it without understanding exactly what it was bringing to the table.
Now this isn't the sole reason why the Duo has failed to gain any significant following outside of the Microsoft loyalists. The price, as with all foldable/dual screen devices requiring complex engineering to produce a bespoke hinge solution, was quite high. This is to be expected. The software experience is what wasn't expected. It's much better than it was right now, but the updates have really dried up now barring the usual Android security updates. Microsoft ran a very small team for Surface Duo, and it really showed. It's a shame they didn't dedicate more resources, as it could have led to more consumers having confidence that their investment in the products wouldn't just go to waste. Layoffs this year have even hit the small Duo team.
I actually liked the approach Microsoft took with the Surface Duo hardware in that they were listening to community feedback and really tried to improve the Surface Duo 2 in ways that mattered. They improved the build, added a Glance Bar display down the spine of the hinge, added 90Hz displays and the biggest change was a triple camera set up that was kind of controversial in many ways, as some Duo users said this messed up the functionality with not being able to fold the phone flat, like you could with the original Duo. Not to mention the way it affected the uniformity and balance. Many just didn't want the cameras, which were still average at best. Were they added to appease complaints from people who never used or had intention of getting a Duo in the first place? I don't know, but it seemed at odds with the original philosophy of the Surface Duo.
All of this leads to; what should you do now? Is it really time to move on from Surface Duo? Is this the end of the line? Is Microsoft really worthy of your hard-earned cash when they never seem to provide their customers with a premium experience, even though they charge a premium price? The Xbox Gamepass app has been broken for a long period of time for many users. Not to mention new cutting-edge features like Bing AI not being included in the SwiftKey Keyboard that Duo uses while Microsoft provides this function to users of Huawei phones from years ago, with their more recent phones not supporting the Google Play Store at all due to the US ban on Huawei. The lack of support sounds a little like Windows Phone doesn't it?
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Rumours of the Surface Duo 3 point to an abandoning of the dual screen set-up and moving to a single folding screen with an outer screen, like a Samsung Galaxy Fold but more likely a Pixel Fold. This is the biggest change by far in moving away from the Surface Duo philosophy to the point where the Surface Duo name itself will make absolutely zero sense.
The overall picture looks bleak. I think demand for a Surface Duo 3 will be so low if they go this route, that it may end up being better for them to not release it at all. Microsoft need to stop with the half-hearted approach. Dipping a foot to test the waters is not how the Surface line turned into a massive success after a troubled start. People want to see commitment. The Duo has barely been a real attempt and it doesn't match up with the Surface brand in many regards. If it goes for a folding screen approach, I don't see how they differentiate the Duo from the likes of the Galaxy Fold and the Pixel Fold in particular.
Microsoft really needs to rethink its approach and even consider pulling out altogether, which will likely be the end of any mobile efforts. At least until they get Windows on this kind of form factor. There's also the very real possibility that this ship has already sailed, and that the few consumers of the Surface Duo are already looking for greener pastures.
Dan is a tech contributor on Windows Central. A long time Xbox gamer and former partner on Microsoft's retired streaming platform Mixer, he can often be found crying into a cup of tea whilst thinking about Windows Phone. You can follow Dan on Twitter where you will find him talking about tech, Formula 1 and his latest victories in Battle Royale games.
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Roccy I have been dabbling with the 1st gen Duo almost a year now, and mostly like its viewing options as compared to "conventional" slab phones. However, even in that respect, it has had significant draw backs. The most annoying one for me is that combined screen mode viewing for many types of content, especially text, are hindered by the "lost" line of the center gap between the screens which can have a very annoying impact when it obliterates crucial text and/or action buttons in the middle of content.Reply
The durability issue has started to show up as the plastic edge around the charge port is starting chip off, since it cannot be protected without unplugging it.
Also, the screen is starting to get into an intermittent flickering on-off mode after being on for several hours, which requires a complete screen off-on cycle to settle down.
Then there's the issue of finding a reasonably protective belt case that is easy to get the Duo in and out of when I need to answer a call. That is the way I have been using cell phones the last 20 years or so - not practical for me to try using a pocket for carrying.
I got burned by MS on Pocket PC phones and Windows phone 8-10, so the Duo is the 3rd strike and out for my "game". -
GraniteStateColin
Well, that model is several years old now, so I would be more surprised if there were no hardware problems creeping in by now. But the "missing" text means you're not using it right. That's like a complaining that the hammer you bought is no good because it won't properly tighten your phillips screws.Roccy said:I have been dabbling with the 1st gen Duo almost a year now, and mostly like its viewing options as compared to "conventional" slab phones. However, even in that respect, it has had significant draw backs. The most annoying one for me is that combined screen mode viewing for many types of content, especially text, are hindered by the "lost" line of the center gap between the screens which can have a very annoying impact when it obliterates crucial text and/or action buttons in the middle of content.
The durability issue has started to show up as the plastic edge around the charge port is starting chip off, since it cannot be protected without unplugging it.
Also, the screen is starting to get into an intermittent flickering on-off mode after being on for several hours, which requires a complete screen off-on cycle to settle down.
Then there's the issue of finding a reasonably protective belt case that is easy to get the Duo in and out of when I need to answer a call. That is the way I have been using cell phones the last 20 years or so - not practical for me to try using a pocket for carrying.
I got burned by MS on Pocket PC phones and Windows phone 8-10, so the Duo is the 3rd strike and out for my "game".
The Duo is NOT a tablet and doesn't open up into a tablet. It has two separate screens, not a single foldable screen. The upside to that is the 360 fold, tent mode, the ability to wrap it around your hand in single-screen mode so it's undroppable, no need for a separate external display to just add weight, cost, and thickness to no effect. On the other hand, unlike a foldable display, it can't become a tablet because there is a gap between the two screens. Just like on a desktop PC with dual monitors, you don't run a window across both of them (maybe some games, but certainly nothing with text), same with the Duo. The Duo has two screens for multitasking or for running apps designed to take advantage of both screens, like all the MS Office apps. It's also great when flipped into its laptop mode, using one screen for a large keyboard and the other a huge display.
It's not that foldable is better than dual screens or vice versa. They are different tools that do different things. Like a screwdriver and a hammer.
Also, while I hear you on Windows Phone 8-10, how did MS burn you with Pocket PC phones? Those were among the premier and most reliable smartphones of the pre-iPhone era. -
GraniteStateColin Oh, Microsoft... I think my Duo 2 (upgraded from the Duo 1, that I handed down to a family member) is by far my favorite phone I've ever owned. It's nearly perfect for me, except for the missing Qi charging, which I originally had been expecting would be added for the Duo 3.Reply
Yeah, I'd prefer a foldable screen over dual screens, IF it could also fold 360 degrees, but given a choice between 1 screen that only folds 180 degrees, or 2 with a gap but that fold 360 degrees for tent mode, eliminating the need for that absurd external display, and other features, I'll take the dual screens every day.
I also love the 3:2 aspect ratio of each of the Duo screens. I came from a Samsung Galaxy. I find it's 18:9 aspect ratio to be terrible. When I use those now, I feel like I'm working on one of the sides of an old #2 pencil. They're so narrow and cramped as to be useless (for me, I know many people love that aspect ratio).
But yeah, hard to trust MS with any mobile hardware now. I had originally said (wrongly) that because the Duo came from the Surface team, it would get proper love for an extended period. Nope.
MS just seems perfectly content to give its most loyal customers the finger. As a former (and partially still) product development manager, I understand the need to cut losses and drop a failing product, but MS' approach to the Duo and the way it treats it post-launch is the CAUSE of the problems, not the other way around. If you treat your product releases as mistakes and don't bolster the customers who buy them, the product will fail. This is one of the main reasons you see ads on TV for products: it's not just to sell new stuff, it's also to make existing owners believe they made a smart choice so they develop brand loyalty. Marketing 101 (OK, maybe 201), but apparently totally alien to MS.
We have 5 Surface devices in our house: Surface Go, Pro, Laptop Studio, and Duo 1 and Duo 2 (not to mention 3 Xboxes along with other Windows systems from HP and Fujitsu and multiple custom-built Windows desktops). And I had Windows Phone Lumias before that. I don't know that MS can win back my trust on a phone. Maybe they don't want to. Maybe this indicates they're officially out of the phone business for the foreseeable future.
If Linux and Apple software and Mac OS weren't so unusable for productivity work, this would make me want to switch ecosystems. At a minimum, I'm more likely to go with another HP Spectro over a sixth Surface for my next laptop.
Just sad and a bit disgusted by the whole thing. But for now, I'm going to keep using my Duo 2 because for me, there's nothing else out there anywhere near as good. -
Hanley Gibbons It was time to give up on the Duo before it even launched.Reply
The future was clear as soon as Samsung launched the Fold. Folding screens, for all their current shortcomings, will be a superior user experience because of the flexibility they offer.
Want two screens? Cool, build in native snapping and an emulated bezel in the middle of the screen. Want one giant screen? Cool, span the app. The Pixel Fold is what the Duo should have been, regardless of whether it was running Android, Windows 10X, or something else. -
GraniteStateColin
Having used both folding devices and dual screen Duo, for me, the dual screen wins, for now. Obviously in the market it hasn't won, but in terms of actual function, it's a superior product. Until folding screens support 360 degree folding, which is getting closer, I'll take the dual screen option every time for the reasons explained above. Once folding screens can do a 360 degree fold, I too would prefer them, but the 360 degree hinge for tent mode and to avoid the need for an extra screen (with its added thickness, cost, weight, and power consumption) is more important than a tablet mode on devices that have virtually no software designed for a tablet mode.Hanley Gibbons said:It was time to give up on the Duo before it even launched.
The future was clear as soon as Samsung launched the Fold. Folding screens, for all their current shortcomings, will be a superior user experience because of the flexibility they offer.
Want two screens? Cool, build in native snapping and an emulated bezel in the middle of the screen. Want one giant screen? Cool, span the app. The Pixel Fold is what the Duo should have been, regardless of whether it was running Android, Windows 10X, or something else.